Is There a One-Stop Shop for Family Resources Through Divorce? The National Association for Single and Divorced Families

In this episode, Steve Altishin interviews Ron Platt, CEO of the National Association for Single and Divorced Families (NASDF), about creating a comprehensive resource hub for individuals going through divorce or managing single-family households. Ron shares his personal journey of bringing his late father's vision to life—a unique insurance product that guarantees child support and alimony payments in cases of death, disability, or involuntary unemployment. Beyond insurance, NASDF offers nationwide resources including career services,
mental health support, childcare discounts, legal assistance, and real estate benefits. Ron's passion stems from his own experiences as a foster parent and witnessing the struggles of friends navigating toxic relationships and custody battles. The organization aims to grow its membership to advocate for foster care reform and family law court improvements, following the successful model of organizations like AARP.

As a leading divorce firm in Portland, our attorneys provide guidance on custody, alimony, separation, estate planning, and more. Learn what to expect in Oregon and Washington divorce cases and how we can help.

If you would like to speak with one of our attorneys, please call our office at (503) 227-0200, or visit our website at https://www.pacificcascadelegal.com.

To learn more about Ron Platt and how NASDF can help you, check out their website at: https://www.nasdf.org/

Disclaimer: Nothing in this communication is intended to provide legal advice nor does it constitute a client-attorney relationship, therefore you should not interpret the contents as such.

Transcript

Speaker 1  00:00:01

Welcome to Modern Family Matters, a podcast devoted to exploring family law topics that matter most to you, covering a wide range of legal, personal, and family law matters. With expert analysis from skilled attorneys and professional guests, we hope that our podcast provides answers, clarity, and guidance towards a better tomorrow for you and your family. Here's your host, Steve Titian.

Speaker 0  00:00:32

Hi everyone. I'm Steve Altishin, director of Client Partnerships for Pacific Cascade Legal. Today we have CEO Ron Platt to talk about is there a one stop shop for family resources through divorce, and how the National Association for Single and Divorced families can help nationwide. Ron, thanks for coming today. How are you doing?

Speaker 3  00:00:58

I'm doing great, and thank you for having me. I really appreciate this.

Speaker 0  00:01:01

Oh, this is great. I, I, when we first talked, I, I was like, oh, really? Need this? So before we got kind of get into that Absolutely. Uh, can you just talk a little bit about yourself and kind of how you got to this point?

Speaker 3  00:01:14

Sure. So, uh, about seven years ago, I was <laugh>. I don't wanna age myself. Um, uh, when I graduated from college, my dad recruited me into his insurance company and to his insurance agency. And, uh, uh, had a career in insurance for 16 years. Part of that was spent in the product development, uh, division, which is pretty cool. Uh, we were known for niche products where people would come to us with hole in one insurance or keynote coverage, or cell phone coverage, or things that was not on the market, and they didn't know where to go for insurance. We would actually have it underwritten through Lloyd's of London or other carriers that we had that were in the niche market. So, while I'm sitting with my dad one day at, at lunch, he was an idea man, and he said to me, I really wanna create an insurance product that would guarantee child support and alimony for death, disability, and involuntary and employment.

Speaker 3  00:02:08

And I looked at him, I said, that's, that's brilliant. And he goes, right. And I said, well, we have an association that we use for something else. Why don't we convert it and have it cater to people who are getting a divorce, currently divorce, or have a single family household? And he said, that's brilliant. But he didn't wanna start the association until he had the insurance placed. And I always say, my dad's like a pit bull with a tire, he won't let go. And for 30 years he tried. He went to every carrier, uh, trying to place this insurance product, and everybody said no. And it was probably the most frustrating thing for him in his life. I joked that on his deathbed, he was like, don't forget to call. And then he died. And I was like, shaking him, tell me who. But it, it wasn't until a couple years ago, I'm, I'm in real estate now.

Speaker 3  00:02:51

I've been in real estate for 23 years. We shelved the, uh, business plan at that time, and, and I run into a guy that says, uh, I'm looking for investments and three levels of residual income. And I said, well, how about only one residual level? And, and you don't need the other two. And he says, what do you have? And I said, I have this idea that I put in writing. And I, he's, so he pursued me when I got back and I updated the business plan and I sent it to him. And he kept going back and forth and had me meet all his partners. And two or three months later came back and said, well, we're gonna pass. If it's such a good idea, why hasn't somebody else thought of it? And I said, well, okay. So we modeled ourselves after A-A-R-P-A-A-R-P. Everybody knows who that is.

Speaker 3  00:03:31

They provide product services and support for people who are 55 or older. So we do the same thing, but for people who are getting a divorce, currently divorced or have a single family household. And I said, if a A RP has 36 million members, why hasn't anybody competed with them? And he says, yeah, I know you said that before, but we're gonna go ahead and pass. So now I'm all excited because this is my passion. This is, you know, helping people, uh, being able to help them in transition, help them heal, help 'em have better relationships. That's one of my passions. So I'm driving home and, and I'm all frustrated. And my dad, you know, I always say, my dad downloaded into my head and said, you don't have crap. You

need to go out and mortgage the house, hire a PR company, get the company started, put everything in place, and then people will start throwing money at you and you'll be able to start, really start the business.

Speaker 3  00:04:17

And I thought, so I'm driving, I get home, I sit down with my better half and who's not, who's definitely risk at adverse and said, you know, I'm passionate about this. You know, I've been wanting to start this company for the last 15, 20 years. Let's mortgage the house, take some money out and let me start it. And we went and discussed the pros and cons. And the con was, well, if it fails, then our mortgage payment is a thousand dollars more than what we're paying now. We can afford that. If it, if it succeeds, then I created a billion dollar business like a A RP has. And, uh, and we can use all, we can use a majority of that money to pour back into our society and, and create better opportunities. My my advocacy work is towards foster care reform. Uh, I'm a foster parent, so I, I saw a lot of the at atrocities that my son went through, and I wanna make sure that I can give children a voice.

Speaker 3  00:05:03

So, and, and, and he knows all this, my husband and he absolutely was in, we borrowed the money, hired a local PR company, uh, called in a lot of my old contacts in the insurance business to, 'cause it's not just putting a website together. It's, there's a whole bunch of stuff involved as far as the products that you're placing with the association. The association itself. And anyhow, put all that together. And we did a soft launch back in January. I was adamantly, adamantly working on the insurance. And a buddy of mine, who's been part of me with this journey to open up the association for the last 10 or 15 years, called and said, did you ever place the insurance? And I said, no, my, my dad died, literally died trying to get this done. He says, I have somebody I want you to talk to.

Speaker 3  00:05:44

So he puts the guy on the phone. And what I love about underwriters that are in their seventies is that they are the true risk takers in this industry. They understood that there has to be a premium that equals every risk. You might not like it, but

<laugh>, you might not like the premium, but you know, until we have enough claims and experience, this is what it needs to be. So he sat with me and he said, tell me what you got. Do you have an actuary report? I did. I sent it to him, sent him the policy, and he came back a couple weeks later and said, we're gonna go ahead and do this. And for me, that was very emotional. Uh, and I looked up at my dad when I heard it and I said, dad, I think I just placed this because he had tried so hard.

Speaker 3  00:06:22

And, uh, they, they made us the, they gave us the, the exclusive marketing rights. Uh, we also own part of the product as well. So now it was a matter of how do we get it onto our software? How do we get it onto our website? And then how are we gonna do our PR to, to advertise that We have the only divorce product in the industry. So that's the only thing that's holding us up, is the first software company we used suddenly like, disappeared. And we realized we already had the company, we didn't think about going to them and asking them if they can do it, they absolutely could do it. We saw the link, it looks great. We're hoping it will be on by next week. And then I have a entire national pr, uh, company that's gonna go out and get us into the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times and really blow this thing out of the water.

Speaker 3  00:07:04

Uh, because the, the insurance element is so important. And what it does is it does provide protection for child support and alimony if whoever is paying dies becomes disabled or involuntarily unemployed. And the difference between what the market has now and what we're offering is right now, when you get a divorce, most of the time the person who pays the insur the, uh, child support and alimony, has to buy a life insurance policy that says if they die, the children or the alimony payments will continue until the children are 18 or 21 years old. That's great. But what if they become disabled? Or suddenly, if they own a, a restaurant and the restaurant fails and they can't earn a living, or they, they work for a big industry and the industry is doing a downsizing and they suddenly find themselves unemployed, we'll continue making those payments for up to a year and give you a thousand dollars for legal fees if you need to pursue that. Uh, that person who's paying to, you know, figure out how to, uh, continue paying after the first, after that year that we've, we've finished paying out, paying out. So it's, it's a certain level. We, we're not gonna tell you not to get the life insurance until the kids are 18 or 2021, but on top of that purchase, ours, because it, it also provides that shorter term, uh, uh, pillow that you need, uh, during this time of transition.

Speaker 0  00:08:24

Uh, you know, that's fascinating. Uh, we're, we do a lot of family law. Yeah. And, uh, you know, a good portion of it is needing to go back to court or defending someone who's going back to court to readjust things like this. Mm-hmm

<affirmative>. Um, because there's been a situation. Yeah. And you have to prove things, and you have to prove things that they're significant and that they're unexpected and all of these kinds of things. And you know, this, I don't think that will necessarily make that not have to happen, but Right. It's a buffer that Correct. You don't necessarily say, oh God, I gotta go back to court, maybe 'cause that three months I'm gonna be in the hospital, or something like that. Right. So I really like that. Yeah. But let, before we kind of get into some of those other details, the why is, you know, kind of fascinates me, you know, talk, if we can talk a little bit about, you know, why there's such a need. I mean, everyone knows divorces are just wrecking people in terms of their feelings about themselves, their financial, their health. But how did you, did you find out or decide why there is a need for this kind of a service?

Speaker 3  00:09:40

So when he brought up the idea way back when I went back to research, uh, by Googling divorce, and I don't know if you've ever done that, but the first three pages on Google are basically attorneys, right. Or services that can help you get a divorce. Right. You have to go to like pages five, six or seven before you get to any kind of resources. Like, let's take an at-home mom that suddenly finds that, uh, she has to go out and get a job. And she's been out of the marketplace for, for so long. She had a, she had a great career before she decided to be an at-home mom. Now she's gotta reenter the workforce. Uh, how does she do that? Well, part of our, one of our benefits is this career services that we have that has 10 videos about how to update your LinkedIn, how to apply for a job, how to make your resume stand out from everybody else's, how to get in front of the recruiter, all these great resources.

Speaker 3  00:10:30

And then on top of that, if you don't know what you wanna do, uh, you can do a one-on-one session with one of the counselors that works for the company and they'll give you a 25% discount to our members. What we also found out about this same career services, that if you have a kid that's about to go off to college and you say, what do you wanna do? And the kid's like, I don't know, I'm just gonna go to college and figure it out. Well, if you actually meet with these, with these people beforehand, they will help your child figure out what to do. So when they enter college, they're on a trajectory of success. They don't, they won't take six to eight years in college to figure it out. They'll go in on the four year plan. So, because they know what they wanna do when they enter.

Speaker 3  00:11:06

Yeah. So that benefit alone is invaluable. But so, you know, we, we figure out, well, what is, what does this person need? Who's about to reenter the force? Well, what else do they need? Well, they, they might need diapers, they might need formulas, they might need childcare services. So we provide discounts on that. The child daycare services is through a company called Learning Care Group, which represents Montessori schools. La Petite Academy Gro. They, they're offering our members, uh, a no application fee. If there's a wait list, you're at the top of the list. And then they discount it after they discount their services after that. What else do they need? It was a matter of, we've got 26 million people in the United States that are either divorced or single families. We've got 1.7 million people divorcing every year. And there is no one association or company that's providing services, products, and resources for this people.

Speaker 3  00:11:55

Which is crazy when you think about it. 'cause people when they're getting divorced or in turmoil, uh, they don't know which attorney to hire. Should I get a mediator? Should I get a divorce coach? Uh, I need to get a job. I need to buy a car. My credit sucks. I've gotta be able to get, you know, I I, I can't suddenly afford diapers and formulas. I need to be able to provide mental health therapy for my kids. There is so much. And I saw the need for that. And again, as a foster parent, I had my own needs that, that were not being met because the foster care system is overburdened and underfunded. So I had to go ahead and source these. When I had a former partner who was both a drug addict, uh, had mental illness and some physical illness, I suddenly found myself in a place that I had to apply, not, not for myself, but for him when we broke up, food stamps, housing, disability, all these things that he would never have been able to navigate himself.

Speaker 3  00:12:46

'cause he wasn't well, that I had to sit here and navigate to figure out how to do it. Well, now I know how to do it. Let me share it with other people that might be going through this as well. You know, I, I was in a, in that relationship for 14 years, that was toxic. How do I share my experiences with people and say, there is life after divorce if you take time out, if I just did a podcast on this today with a, a father who's in the process of getting divorced, if you just take time out, figure out what you want, how to have a better relationship so that your next relationship is better and more in line with what who you are and what you want. How do I convey that to people? So it was a matter of a lot of life experiences.

Speaker 3  00:13:24

Having had a business partner who was, uh, married to a, an abusive husband and had to leave in the middle of the night with her daughter underneath her arm under in, in a doggy door because he had locked all the doors. Uh, and her challenges from the time that she left him till the, till the time the child, she left him when the child was literally a baby. And up until the time the child was 16 years old, the courts never decided on custody issues because he was wealthy. She was not. I went to court with her several times and I saw how he manipulated the system, and it was all about how can I make this continue and make her miserable for as long as possible? And the court systems? And it wasn't until that child turned 16, he came to pick her up and she called the police and said, I don't want to go with him.

Speaker 3  00:14:06

It finally ended. But the courts never made a decision. So how do we give this, these children a bigger voice? And you do it through numbers. You know, A A RP has 36 million members. Congress will not change Social Security or Medicare unless they consult with, with one of their lobbyists. You've got 36 million members, you have a loud voice. Yeah. When we can get to that level, and it doesn't take 36 million, if we can get to a hundred thousand members or, you know, 500,000 members, we can afford to hire a lobbyist and start advocating for foster care reform, we can start, uh, we can start advocating for court, uh, a family law court to be run and become more efficient because we need to let those children have a better outlook on their, their future. And, and I think that the way it's so clogged up and the way they don't have a voice, these kids are just not getting what they need. You know, I'll give you an example real quick. More states are trying to eliminate abortion. And I'm not trying to get political or be one way or the other, but they're eliminating a woman's right to have an abortion. What they're not talking about is what do we do with these children?

Speaker 0 00:15:11 Yeah.

Speaker 3  00:15:12

Right. I haven't heard one state who is trying to eliminate abortion, say, well, I know we're doing this, but we're also funding our foster care systems. We're making it easier for people to adopt. We're making it cheaper for people to adopt. We're, you know, we're, we're subsidizing or what have you, or our school systems are getting better on, on free, uh, lunch care or whatever. There's nothing, nobody's talking about these children. We wanna be able to be that advocate. And that that, along with being able to help people transition during this time has been a passion of mine for a long time.

Speaker 0  00:15:45

You know, when you, you talk so passionately about the kids and the kids, the fallout a long time mm-hmm <affirmative>. And it, you know, like I said, it can take the kids forever to even kind of kind of make a comeback mm-hmm <affirmative>. And so you're focusing on them, which, you know, just kind of thinking through your A A RP thing, it's kind of brilliant because you're sort of picking a known group that has known issues that you can actually make some way to, to help. And kids have a ton of different issues. And, and, and I, you know, you were talking about the foster care, the, the, the financial part. You know, all of those things, if one of those break down, the kids are in trouble. And I love the idea of bundling that kind of as an insurance rep in a package calling Swiss Re or or Lloyd to London to say, Hey, look at this thing.

Speaker 3  00:16:49

Well, I mean, the insurance is one aspect of it. The, the association N-A-S-D-F of course is the, the, the outlet for the product services resources, uh, that, that the insurance is part of. Yeah. So I mean, you, you can become a member for $19 a month without buying the insurance, but if you want the insurance, you have to become a member, is how it's

Speaker 0  00:17:09

Right. Right. That makes sense. Are you expanding services? Uh, absolutely. If someone, if someone is in Michigan,

Speaker 3 00:17:20 We're nationwide

Speaker 0 00:17:22 And they call you.

Speaker 3  00:17:23

Yeah. So they would call us, they'd go online and all, all of our benefits are there. And once they become a member, they immediately have access to all those benefits and resources. Uh, everything we're doing is, is, uh, we're making sure is nationwide, if it's state specific. My co-founder right now is very meticulously going forth <laugh> through different states and putting down the resources after they've been vetted to make sure that if it's not a national company, that you can go state by state and look up different resources for them. Right. For example, we have, uh, here in Florida a nonprofit called Our children have Voices and our children have Rights. I'm sorry. And what they do is they help people with child custody issues. If you don't have money, you can't hire an attorney, but you still have to figure out your child custody issues.

Speaker 3  00:18:08

They will help you for free. Not only figure it out how to file it, how to do it, give you free legal advice, everything else. I don't know how they make money o other than through, uh, different grants. Uh, but the organization itself is phenomenal. They're a partner of ours. I've asked if they can go don Nationwide, and he said, we can, right now we're in Florida, but we do wanna expand. And if you expand, we expand. So, uh, and we, we already are nationwide. So that's what we're trying to do is break those resources down state by state our products that you see as our benefits are nationwide.

Speaker 0  00:18:39

Yeah. And you know, as, as a, again, as a firm that does a lot of, uh, divorces, it's, you know, we're always looking to make sure our clients partner up with others because, you know, we can't be the therapist. We, or the financial planner or the tax provider or any of these, you know, and it, this is sort of a like, revolutionary 'cause it's like, well hold it. They can go to you mm-hmm <affirmative>. And, and you've already have, you know, some umbrella services. And if you don't have that, you still have probably have references and referrals and ways just to help them. Yes. I think that that, that part of it, like you said, really is the driving factor. The, and, and what I like about the insurance thing is what breaks all that down is when one of the, one of the parents ha you know, goes through a bad time

Speaker 3 00:19:42 Right.

Speaker 0  00:19:43

Loses a job. You know, those kinds of things. So, but if you don't mind talking just a little bit more on, on the, not all the, all the nuts and bolts, but kind of how that artworks 'cause that was fascinating. 'cause I told my, my wife who said, judge, and she said, really <laugh> and you know, because she sees every day people come in and they've lost a job. Yeah. And now they're four months behind. And we hear about, in court,

Speaker 3  00:20:17

We hear about the deadbeat parent, of course, which gets the most notoriety. But, but the percentage of deadbeat parents is, is not what we think it is. No. Correct. Most, most parents are trying to be responsible. They might not be paying child support, but they're paying something. So we don't wanna deal with the deadbeat parent that the state does very well with. They go after your tax returns, they go after your, your, your income and things of that nature. We don't do that. But for the parent that un unexpectedly gets laid off from work because they closed the plant or the, you know, the, the, the, if he's an entrepreneur, they are an entrepreneur and suddenly the big client leaves and they have to close the business, well, we're gonna cover that gap, uh, because we know that they're gonna go out and they're gonna try to get a job as quickly as possible to make sure that they can maintain their payments.

Speaker 3  00:21:03

Uh, if they become disabled, you know, again, that's something that's outta their control. Uh, you know, hopefully that disability is not long term, but if it is at that point, social security kicks in. Yeah, of course. You have to hire an attorney to get that. It makes it more difficult. But there, there is a cushion for disability. If you don't have other resources for us, we will go ahead and make those payments during that disability period up to one year as well. And then of course, if you die, you know, we'll take care of that as well. But hopefully you have further life insurance for that. It's basically the two big ones. Disability or involuntary unemployment, short term, not long term. Correct.

Speaker 0  00:21:40

Yep. And, and that's, that's what makes it different than just getting disability insurance. Correct. It's that second part. It's the, you know, I'm not physically disabled or mentally disabled, but Right. I am financially disabled and it wasn't my fault.

Speaker 3 00:21:54 Yeah. You know,

Speaker 0  00:21:56

Our, our company moved to Arizona, what am I gonna, yeah.

Speaker 3  00:22:00

And if you see, you know, eight months, nine months into it, the person decides they wanna sit at home and not look for a job or, uh, you know, they're not applying for disability, long-term disability, uh, we're gonna help you hire the attorney that kicks 'em in the butt and gets 'em back to work. So, you know, we, we will offset that by a thousand dollars as well. And a lot of consultations cost around 5,000. So we're trying to help out, you know, here, here's something else. I mentioned legal, it's interesting. A friend of mine just got divorced and her husband is the predominant breadwinner. Uh, she leaves, uh, she wants to hire an attorney. The attorneys want $5,000 retainer. She doesn't have it because her husband's controlling the money. So she goes for free legal advice, and they, and they say, great, you know, you don't make any money, but your husband is, makes six figures.

Speaker 3  00:22:45

You don't qualify because we take both, both incomes in for free legal. So now she had to go out and ask a friend for $5,000. So I said, well, what if there was a credit card? Like say CareCredit, CareCredit pays for, um, facial work, like cosmetic work, and they also pay for vet veterinarians, which is kind of an odd situation, but literally that's all they do. Vet bills and cosmetic surgery. Well, what if we, I went to CareCredit and said, Hey, can, can you put a credit card together for us that pays for legal fees, just legal fees or mediation services or court costs? And they said no. So I'm looking for a credit card company that will work with somebody with less than stellar credit, say a credit score of 500 that will be able to do a five or

$10,000 limit on their credit card so that they can go out and they don't have to worry about not hiring the right attorney to help them with their divorce. And of course, after the divorce is settled up, they can start making payments, uh, on the credit card. Things that people don't think about. But this is what I'm hearing is I couldn't afford to hire the attorney because my spouse controls the money we apply for a credit card. We'll go ahead and help you with that. We don't have that yet, but that's like stuff that we're working on in the future.

Speaker 0  00:23:55

Yeah. And that's really good because a lot of attorneys who especially don't do a lot of divorce, um, are, are kind of afraid to do it upfront now.

Speaker 3 00:24:07 Right.

Speaker 0  00:24:08

In, in, in most of the cases that you talked about, you can get that money back from the other person, but it's, you know, months later. Right. And what do you do in the meantime kind of stuff. So, you know, I know there are attorneys out there who are very reluctant to actually front people like that. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. Basically what you're doing, and this, again, all these things are somewhere mm-hmm <affirmative>. You know, but it's like you're bringing 'em together.

Speaker 3 00:24:34 Correct. Yes. Because

Speaker 0  00:24:36

I really, I really, really, like,

Speaker 3  00:24:37

I didn't know, and I know this might be very naive, I never heard of divorce, uh, uh, divorce coaches before.

Speaker 0 00:24:44 Yeah. And,

Speaker 3  00:24:45

And, and now, uh, that's all I'm running into are divorce coaches and we're adding 'em onto our, to our resources. Uh, I, uh, ran across a lady that does divorce. She helps with college applications. She, uh, helps 'em get funding all if, you know, not just catering to the divorce market, but basically if you work with her, she helps you get the financing. She helps you get your kid into college. She helps, uh, coordinate. She does a bunch of things when it comes to helping families get their kids in college, which I never heard of before. We now have that resource on, on our, uh, resource list as well. So I'm coming across all these great professionals out there that are catering to the divorce market that you would never really see arbitrarily on Google when you're searching, but that are valuable assets and that are really legit that can help.

Speaker 0  00:25:33

Yep. Yeah, it's kind of fascinating. We have a woman who is a, basically a financial planner and she changed everything over to just financing your child's college education. Yeah. And those people are invaluable, you know? Yeah. Get, get 'em in your, in your system.

Speaker 3  00:25:54

No, I, I definitely could have used this person when I was applying for college.

Speaker 0  00:25:57

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Wow. Wow. We just blew through 30 minutes

Speaker 3  00:26:03

<laugh>.

Speaker 0  00:26:04

So before we go though, I want a couple things. Yeah. First, if before we leave, if you just wanna kind of tell one thing, say one thing to someone who's like going, huh. Really? What, what would you tell 'em

Speaker 3  00:26:19

When you're in the process of getting a divorce? You're gonna need so many things. So what we're trying to do is be able to provide the greatest benefit that you can, where the $19 membership fee you're paying is irrelevant. Yeah. Uh, one, one of the things that I think is great is, uh, you might need to buy or sell, so you're gonna need to hire a realtor. Well, instead of going to the open market and hiring one come to us, we can re, we have a nationwide network of, uh, top, top realtors. And what we're saying is, if you hire one of our realtors as a, as a member benefit, we will give you back 25% towards your closing costs of your purchase price. Uh, uh, basically it's whatever the commission is that the agent is receiving, we will give you back 25% of that.

Speaker 3  00:26:57

That's a three to $5,000 savings. Yeah. Uh, four or $500,000 purchase. No other realtor can offer that. But that's one of the benefits that we can, we have a mental health, three free mental health care, uh, for your children or for yourself, which I think every parent needs to be able to provide for their kids during this process. Uh, and then discounted sessions thereafter, as our membership grows, that goes to eight free sessions. So come to us, take a look at a lot of our benefits,

take a look at our resources, which are expanding every day as we continue to get our membership higher and higher. Those benefits will continue to multiply it. I call it the Costco effect. You know, Costco has, oh

Speaker 0 00:27:38 God. Yeah.

Speaker 3  00:27:38

Yes. Costco has 175 million members. I had no idea until I looked it up. It's literally half the population of the us. Yeah. Well, that's why they can provide cheaper products than if you went to your local grocery store. If you went to your, you know, patio store or whatever, clothing store, whatever they sell in there because of the numbers that they have. Yeah. Uh, A A RP is able to provide these incredible discounts and services to their members because they've got 36 million members. As we get bigger, I can go to companies like AutoNation and say, Hey, my people need deals on cars. I can go to companies like Costco, uh, to, not Costco, but target, Safeway, Publix, you know, different grocery stores and say, what can you do for my members? And all of those savings are passed on to them. Yep. So what I would say is check us out n adf.org, become a member, start and join the benefits. And as we continue to grow, those benefits will continue to expand as well.

Speaker 0  00:28:33

Wow. I love that. And, and that is, that is the, the, the best place to, to start contacting you is to go to that website.

Speaker 3  00:28:43

Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, we we're on social media. You can go to our YouTube page. We've got it. What I love about our YouTube page is that we keep adding more and more podcasts for mothers, for Fathers. I just did one today because I think fathers are underserved to some extent. And I did a podcast with a father who's in the process of getting divorce and just invaluable information for dads. We keep adding to that weekly, or you'll see stuff from me, you'll see stuff from our vendors. You'll see stuff, people that we're interviewing just explain giving their ex experiences, guides, resources, things like that. Our YouTube page is N-A-S-D-F-O-R-G. On our Facebook page, you're gonna see, uh, different people that we're working with, vendors that are providing invaluable information. So go to our Facebook page, NAS df do org, uh, nasd, FORG, or on Instagram, same thing. You know, check us out. There's just a plethora of different information and services. You gotta see what we, what we have going on. It continues to grow every day. Yeah.

Speaker 0  00:29:40

Wow. Yep. You sold me <laugh>.

Speaker 3  00:29:43

<laugh>.

Speaker 0  00:29:44

I can you, I just see some of our clients like would be like, oh God. Yeah. Because it's, it's not, oh God, I got home up with

$250 to have a session 'cause my kid just really needs a session. You know? Yeah. That kind of stuff. Yeah. So, wow. It's, I think that's great. We thank you. So thank you again for being here to talk about this and you really are the becoming a one stop shop for family resources going through divorce and like you said, not even necessarily divorce single, you know.

Speaker 3  00:30:17

Well, and somebody said to me the other day, I'm not married, I'm not divorced. Can I join? I'm like, please <laugh>. Yeah. Use us.

Speaker 0  00:30:23

Yeah, absolutely. Oh, I love it. But

Speaker 3  00:30:25

Our, but our, our mindset is geared towards divorce and single families. Speaker 0 00:30:29

Yeah. Yep. I love it. Well, thank you again. Thank you for being there, row.

Speaker 3  00:30:34

You got it. And thank you for having me on your show.

Speaker 0  00:30:37

Oh, it was great. And everyone thank you as well for joining us today. If anyone has any further questions on today's topic, you can post it here and we can get you connected with Ron, or you can go to Ron's website. Until next time, stay safe. Stay happy and be well.

Speaker 1  00:30:55

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